Comments on: …The Elusive Balance – Part II… http://volusiapaganpride.com/wordpress/2010/07/27/the-elusive-balance-ii/ Raise the Vibration... Get in the Flow... Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:22:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: admin http://volusiapaganpride.com/wordpress/2010/07/27/the-elusive-balance-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-125 admin Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:49:08 +0000 http://volusiapaganpride.com/wordpress/?p=375#comment-125 i think the issue i have with such dualistic models of ethics is their relative nature. 'stuff' and the laws that govern the interaction of stuff have existed long before the consciousness of man (individual) and man (soul of the species) arose on the scene to perceive them. so, like laws of gravity and thermodynamics, the karmic reciprocal force was already well established before there was consciousness to question it (having arisen directly from the same primal chaos that gave birth to all the other governing laws of the multiverse)... which leads one to believe that moral weight is not relative - that given circumstances y, action x always carries the same moral weight regardless of where and when it is committed because it is always subject to the governance of already established law. and if right action itself is relative based upon the perceptions of heart and mind, wouldn't we all be little buddhas running around - masters of our own individual ideal dharmic worlds? yet there is still so much suffering, which is what following dharma is meant to alleviate, that it would seem there is an objective standard most of us fail to even recognize, let alone attain. and yet... within this greater scheme there is always the realization that each individual is walking their own trail and finding their own homeostatic balance; subject to objective standard (wtf?!) yet within their own niche in the greater system. i have yet to reach an internal resolution to this issue, and i'm not even certain that there is any resolution. but thank you for your comments, they've certainly provided some food for thought. -justin i think the issue i have with such dualistic models of ethics is their relative nature. ‘stuff’ and the laws that govern the interaction of stuff have existed long before the consciousness of man (individual) and man (soul of the species) arose on the scene to perceive them. so, like laws of gravity and thermodynamics, the karmic reciprocal force was already well established before there was consciousness to question it (having arisen directly from the same primal chaos that gave birth to all the other governing laws of the multiverse)… which leads one to believe that moral weight is not relative – that given circumstances y, action x always carries the same moral weight regardless of where and when it is committed because it is always subject to the governance of already established law.

and if right action itself is relative based upon the perceptions of heart and mind, wouldn’t we all be little buddhas running around – masters of our own individual ideal dharmic worlds? yet there is still so much suffering, which is what following dharma is meant to alleviate, that it would seem there is an objective standard most of us fail to even recognize, let alone attain. and yet… within this greater scheme there is always the realization that each individual is walking their own trail and finding their own homeostatic balance; subject to objective standard (wtf?!) yet within their own niche in the greater system.

i have yet to reach an internal resolution to this issue, and i’m not even certain that there is any resolution. but thank you for your comments, they’ve certainly provided some food for thought.

-justin

]]> By: Shaan http://volusiapaganpride.com/wordpress/2010/07/27/the-elusive-balance-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-123 Shaan Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:36:27 +0000 http://volusiapaganpride.com/wordpress/?p=375#comment-123 I feel perhaps the words you may be looking for are Dharma(right actions) and Adharma(wrong actions). It requires a more expansive level of the brain than most people are used to understanding, namely the heart brain. The level of intelligence of the heart-brain (what some consider our soul) is based on wisdom and knowing. And knowing can be defined by yin-yang polarities such as true-false or yes-no. However, what determines positive and negative responses of the HB is the belief stucture of the individual at that moment. And since we are influenced by the common belief structures of our environment, environmental factors do play a part in what our hearts tell us is dharmic and adharmic. Depsite whatever our belief system is I believe we should be aware of the connection between ourselves and our environment. I won't say that a person sacrificing a cat in a public park is insane because he sacrificed the cat. I might not agree with it, but if his belief structure says it's dharmic, then so be it. I would, however say he's insane because he had no awareness of his environment to understand that doing it in a public park would raise a few eyebrows. The more closed the heart to the world, the more it survives. The more open a heart to the world, the more it Lives. I feel perhaps the words you may be looking for are Dharma(right actions) and Adharma(wrong actions).

It requires a more expansive level of the brain than most people are used to understanding, namely the heart brain. The level of intelligence of the heart-brain (what some consider our soul) is based on wisdom and knowing. And knowing can be defined by yin-yang polarities such as true-false or yes-no.

However, what determines positive and negative responses of the HB is the belief stucture of the individual at that moment. And since we are influenced by the common belief structures of our environment, environmental factors do play a part in what our hearts tell us is dharmic and adharmic. Depsite whatever our belief system is I believe we should be aware of the connection between ourselves and our environment.

I won’t say that a person sacrificing a cat in a public park is insane because he sacrificed the cat. I might not agree with it, but if his belief structure says it’s dharmic, then so be it. I would, however say he’s insane because he had no awareness of his environment to understand that doing it in a public park would raise a few eyebrows.

The more closed the heart to the world, the more it survives. The more open a heart to the world, the more it Lives.

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